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In Marco Polo, Netflix’s disappointing and poorly reviewed response to Game of Thrones, not only does the titular character suffer from incompetent white guide syndrome, but the show is an exercise in exoticizing a culture rather than exploring it earnestly. While there are some strong and dope female characters on the show, women in general are often hypersexualized. I mean, the first season had a naked Chinese woman performing martial arts.

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But beyond the general stereotyping that pervades the show, Marco tends to inject himself into situations with the best of intentions, like attempting to foil the sale of a princess’s personal possessions and volunteering to wrestle some giant dude (only to be rescued by a Mongolian woman warrior). Probably the most telling example of how Marco is portrayed as an unskilled white person are the scenes of Marco training with Hundred Eyes, the blind monk/martial arts master who gives him a full on whooping every time.

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Narco’s oft-criticized narrator and resident gringo Steve Murphy seems to have the sole purpose—other than being so annoying that you can’t help but sympathize with violent, ruthless drug kingpins—of mansplaining events as they happen and giving the audience a break from the Spanish dialogue which in itself has spurred controversy. Wagner Moura, the Brazilian actor who portrayed Pablo Escobar learned Spanish months before taking on the role—and while American audiences may not have noticed, Colombian audiences were definitely not impressed with his attempt at a Colombian accent.

On top of giving us cliche and redundant narration like “And sometimes, bad people…help you do good things” and “In this war, the innocent always seemed to be the ones who got hurt,” Murphy squeaks by without gaining any type of fluency in Spanish.

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While these white characters are shown to be overwhelmed by the cultures they have immersed themselves in, and the point of these shows is to actually give a platform to voices of color, insisting on framing these stories through a white perspective only undermines them. Using white characters maintains the idea that whiteness is objectivity and neutrality, the default lens—everything else is suspicious. Whiteness is a marker of rationality when it comes to feelings and responses, the audience’s emotional compass. It also means that marginalized stories need white permission to be acknowledged or to exist.

Of course Netflix does have programming that truly drops that white point of entry, albeit only in an American context, not an international one: Aziz Ansari’s Master of None is basically a study of race and culture, and The Get Down explores the roots of hip-hop and only includes white people as corrupt politicians and things for Jaden Smith to kiss.

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Undermining characters to show the nuances of other cultures is cute. But why not just cut out the white middle man or woman?